November 7th, 2011

And then 1975:

“Joe, they told me you was washed up.”

“They told you wrong, pretty boy.”

He never got the accolades that Ali did, and never had the popularity of Foreman.  And maybe he didn’t deserve it.  But he carried himself with dignity, even as Ali grotesquely slandered him as an Uncle Tom.  And he did have the greatest left hook in history.

Rest in peace.

 

6 Responses to “Joe Frazier, 1944-2011”

    • Jonathan Zasloff says:

      The funny thing is that I actually agree with you as a general matter. I’m not a boxing fan. I suppose, though, that I have always appreciated someone performing in sports at a high level of talent and courage. Frazier did so, and never got the same sorts of accolades as others who deserved it less. He always seemed to me to be the underappreciated underdog. In any event, I can respect the courage and professionalism of those soldiers who have it, even though the vast majority of wars are pointless and destructive.

      • J. Michael Neal says:

        Agreed. The tragedy of boxing is what it did to Frazier’s capacities. The man, though, was admirable, as sickening as the sport may be. Jonathan omitted the most repulsive part of Ali’s slandering of Frazier: Smokin’ Joe was one of the people who had provided financial assistance to Ali while he was banned from boxing and had been a vocal supporter of having Ali reinstated.

        Frazier suffered another indignity as well. Boorish clowns on the right turned the Ali-Frazier matchups into a tale of the pro-American Frazier vs. the anti-American Ali. Frazier was no Uncle Tom, but the wingnuts sure as hell tried to treat him as one.

  1. Keith Humphreys says:

    In addition to his other virtues, Mr. Frazier had a sense of humor

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/35052/the-simpsons-barney-instigates-a-fight

  2. NCG says:

    I agree with both O’Hare and Zasloff. The LAT obit today quotes Foreman on how frightening it was to face Frazier in the ring. I am in no way a boxing fan and it had never occurred to me that these guys might actually be afraid of each other. After all, it’s just a fistfight, right? (ahem)

    And that did make me admire the courage involved. The piece also touches on the really egregious racist history of the sport, or at least so it seems to me. If Ali had been white, I don’t think he’d have lost his title over his political opinions.

    On the larger point about the sport though, what if they just didn’t hit each other in the head anymore? You’d have to figure out some other way of winning, I suppose, but isn’t there already a point system? We humans are quite violent. Football is questionable too, very much so. And we still have that bad habit of making war. What to do about us?

    • On the larger point about the sport though, what if they just didn’t hit each other in the head anymore?

      This was actually the norm for boxing back in the 19th century. There wasn’t a rule against hitting someone in the head, but in the days of bare-knuckle fighting, repeatedly targeting the head was a good way to break bones in your hand. Fights consisted mostly of body shots, and some of them had an indefinite number of rounds, as a knockout was the only way to win. Some went thirty or more rounds.

      The advent of gloves was more to protect the hands of the puncher than the head of the punchee.


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